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	<title>Comments on: Would An Ubuntu PC From Canonical Make Sense?</title>
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		<title>By: Yonah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yonah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 08:37:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not going to fly.  This just wouldn't be profitable, mainly because most people would look at it for what it is... a bizarre PC that isn't Windows compatible but also isn't a Mac.  Just like the Amiga years ago, the only people who would buy this are those who were already using Linux because they actually know what they are buying.  It wouldn't even be because they needed it, but just for the the slight buzz of normalcy they would experience.  It doesn't matter if Canonical cares about making a profit or not.  The retailers do, and they don't want dead stock sitting on the shelf that could be better used for something else.

The boxed Ubuntu is also a laugh.  It sits on a shelf surrounded by other boxed software that isn't compatible with it, and says so right on the back of the box.  Get real.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not going to fly.  This just wouldn&#8217;t be profitable, mainly because most people would look at it for what it is&#8230; a bizarre PC that isn&#8217;t Windows compatible but also isn&#8217;t a Mac.  Just like the Amiga years ago, the only people who would buy this are those who were already using Linux because they actually know what they are buying.  It wouldn&#8217;t even be because they needed it, but just for the the slight buzz of normalcy they would experience.  It doesn&#8217;t matter if Canonical cares about making a profit or not.  The retailers do, and they don&#8217;t want dead stock sitting on the shelf that could be better used for something else.</p>
<p>The boxed Ubuntu is also a laugh.  It sits on a shelf surrounded by other boxed software that isn&#8217;t compatible with it, and says so right on the back of the box.  Get real.</p>
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		<title>By: Zac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 07:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great idea. Ubuntu PC's must be on shelves so people can see them. They could partner with companys such as EfficientPC, Za Reason and System 76. Dell is doing a good job but it is not visible to people. Also, all codecs must be pre-installed, a booklet etc. A great Ubuntu experience. The comment from Justin above is the way to go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great idea. Ubuntu PC&#8217;s must be on shelves so people can see them. They could partner with companys such as EfficientPC, Za Reason and System 76. Dell is doing a good job but it is not visible to people. Also, all codecs must be pre-installed, a booklet etc. A great Ubuntu experience. The comment from Justin above is the way to go.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 23:30:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that it is a great idea. (Even if they partnered with System 76 or something like that) I would rather purchase a Ubuntu system from Canonical than a machine from another provider. I would rather see Canonical produce a great machine in house. I personally don't find the offerings from System 76 very compelling at all. Not trying to talk bad about them, I just don't find them compelling. I would however like a laptop with all the external design level quality of a Mac (doesn't have to be a clone). That has been purposefully built for Ubuntu, comes with literature, vouchers, support. Just a great Ubuntu customer experience. I want to be marketed to, properly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that it is a great idea. (Even if they partnered with System 76 or something like that) I would rather purchase a Ubuntu system from Canonical than a machine from another provider. I would rather see Canonical produce a great machine in house. I personally don&#8217;t find the offerings from System 76 very compelling at all. Not trying to talk bad about them, I just don&#8217;t find them compelling. I would however like a laptop with all the external design level quality of a Mac (doesn&#8217;t have to be a clone). That has been purposefully built for Ubuntu, comes with literature, vouchers, support. Just a great Ubuntu customer experience. I want to be marketed to, properly.</p>
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		<title>By: Vadim P.</title>
		<link>http://www.linuxloop.com/news/2008/07/10/would-an-ubuntu-pc-from-canonical-make-sense/#comment-8944</link>
		<dc:creator>Vadim P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 15:11:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dunno, but meanwhile I got my laptop from system76 which sells Ubuntu pre-installed exclusively.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dunno, but meanwhile I got my laptop from system76 which sells Ubuntu pre-installed exclusively.</p>
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		<title>By: dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 14:59:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are essentially asking for something that has already existed.  Visit System76.

I'm not convinced this was a good move by Canonical.  People typically do not upgrade their OS anymore, they buy a new computer with the OS preinstalled.  Many pre-Vista machines don't even meet the minimum requirements to upgrade.  Linux has progressed to a point where it is unquestionably easier to install than Windows.  Native hardware support may be roughly equal (I would argue linux has better out-of-box hardware support actually) but there is still a lot of peripherals not supported by linux, whereas Windows drivers can still be installed from the manufacturer's cdrom.  I imagine right now there are already frustrated users being told, by whomever offers the 60 day tech support, that their printer or webcam does not have any linux kernel driver available.  How many of these people will continue using Ubuntu or give GNU/Linux a second chance in the future, given the sour first impression they had?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are essentially asking for something that has already existed.  Visit System76.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not convinced this was a good move by Canonical.  People typically do not upgrade their OS anymore, they buy a new computer with the OS preinstalled.  Many pre-Vista machines don&#8217;t even meet the minimum requirements to upgrade.  Linux has progressed to a point where it is unquestionably easier to install than Windows.  Native hardware support may be roughly equal (I would argue linux has better out-of-box hardware support actually) but there is still a lot of peripherals not supported by linux, whereas Windows drivers can still be installed from the manufacturer&#8217;s cdrom.  I imagine right now there are already frustrated users being told, by whomever offers the 60 day tech support, that their printer or webcam does not have any linux kernel driver available.  How many of these people will continue using Ubuntu or give GNU/Linux a second chance in the future, given the sour first impression they had?</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 14:40:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you think about it, that would be a pretty monumental step to take; it means moving from a purely software business into a hardware one, with all the customer and support issues that come with that.  

I think it makes more sense for Ubuntu to partner closely with an existing hardware manufacturer and produce something marketed as a joint effort.  The only way they could feasibly do a "Canonical PC" is to rebrand someone else's whitebox systems, so why not give that company a little credit too (and have it take responsibility for the hardware)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you think about it, that would be a pretty monumental step to take; it means moving from a purely software business into a hardware one, with all the customer and support issues that come with that.  </p>
<p>I think it makes more sense for Ubuntu to partner closely with an existing hardware manufacturer and produce something marketed as a joint effort.  The only way they could feasibly do a &#8220;Canonical PC&#8221; is to rebrand someone else&#8217;s whitebox systems, so why not give that company a little credit too (and have it take responsibility for the hardware)?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 14:38:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe just like Canonical worked with ValueSoft to get the boxes in Best Buy, they could work with a company like System 76 or ZaReason who already has experience in distributing (from what I hear) high quality computers with Ubuntu pre-installed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe just like Canonical worked with ValueSoft to get the boxes in Best Buy, they could work with a company like System 76 or ZaReason who already has experience in distributing (from what I hear) high quality computers with Ubuntu pre-installed.</p>
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		<title>By: Dummy00001</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dummy00001</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 12:38:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#62; Even if Canonical made little or no money on the PC itself [...]

I honestly would have considered buying laptop from them.

Point is, good user experience comes from well integrated stack: hardware - OS - software. Perfection can be reached only when you do all the parts by yourself.

Profit here probably would be marginal. Most important aspect of Apple Stores, people often disregard (esp. Wintel users), is feedback the stores provide back to Cupertino. The stores are first launchpads for many products and ideas. They are also only place where you can see first impression of person who never used your system.

Problem with Dell partnership is that, when problem occurs, you never know root of problem: is it problem of particular Dell design decision? it it problem of Ubuntu design decision? or it is general Linux problem?

Another point shouldn't be dismissed: Ubuntu brand recognition. I think that can help to capitalize on such Ubuntu Stores.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; Even if Canonical made little or no money on the PC itself [...]</p>
<p>I honestly would have considered buying laptop from them.</p>
<p>Point is, good user experience comes from well integrated stack: hardware - OS - software. Perfection can be reached only when you do all the parts by yourself.</p>
<p>Profit here probably would be marginal. Most important aspect of Apple Stores, people often disregard (esp. Wintel users), is feedback the stores provide back to Cupertino. The stores are first launchpads for many products and ideas. They are also only place where you can see first impression of person who never used your system.</p>
<p>Problem with Dell partnership is that, when problem occurs, you never know root of problem: is it problem of particular Dell design decision? it it problem of Ubuntu design decision? or it is general Linux problem?</p>
<p>Another point shouldn&#8217;t be dismissed: Ubuntu brand recognition. I think that can help to capitalize on such Ubuntu Stores.</p>
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		<title>By: manny</title>
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		<dc:creator>manny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 03:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fully agree with ubuntu PC's

But just like they partnered with valuesoft for the Ubuntu Discs, they should partner with other vendors.

I think System76 and/or zareason are more than competent for this task.

Other vendors like Everex and Sylvania seem to be already doing very good with their own ubuntu derivative
http://www.thinkgos.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fully agree with ubuntu PC&#8217;s</p>
<p>But just like they partnered with valuesoft for the Ubuntu Discs, they should partner with other vendors.</p>
<p>I think System76 and/or zareason are more than competent for this task.</p>
<p>Other vendors like Everex and Sylvania seem to be already doing very good with their own ubuntu derivative<br />
<a href="http://www.thinkgos.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.thinkgos.com/</a></p>
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