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	<title>Comments on: Apple&#8217;s New Air: Good or Bad for the Eee?</title>
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		<title>By: rachel</title>
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		<title>By: John Stevens</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Stevens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 15:31:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In reply to John Bailey.

I know the apple users you are talking about. Some of them are Evangelistic in their promotion of all things apple. Others are the college set; the ones whose use of apple is incidental to whatever else they are doing. 

I am also middle of the road. I like Linux and it gives me the freedom to set my computer up my way. But there are times when I need an app and trying to set it up on Linux is beyond reason. Those times are when I turn to other OS's.

But for my main computer use, Linux is more than capable of meeting my needs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to John Bailey.</p>
<p>I know the apple users you are talking about. Some of them are Evangelistic in their promotion of all things apple. Others are the college set; the ones whose use of apple is incidental to whatever else they are doing. </p>
<p>I am also middle of the road. I like Linux and it gives me the freedom to set my computer up my way. But there are times when I need an app and trying to set it up on Linux is beyond reason. Those times are when I turn to other OS&#8217;s.</p>
<p>But for my main computer use, Linux is more than capable of meeting my needs.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Lees</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Lees</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 06:35:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Air might not have directly increased EEEPc sales, but there were a lot of potential EEE buyers who were waiting to see what Apple was going to bring out... and when they saw, they ordered an EEE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Air might not have directly increased EEEPc sales, but there were a lot of potential EEE buyers who were waiting to see what Apple was going to bring out&#8230; and when they saw, they ordered an EEE.</p>
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		<title>By: John Bailey</title>
		<link>http://www.linuxloop.com/news/2008/01/15/apples-new-air-good-or-bad-for-the-eee/#comment-725</link>
		<dc:creator>John Bailey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 02:24:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In reply to John Stevens.

Sorry.. I wasn't making myself clear. I wasn't referring to the entire Apple range and the entire Apple customer base when I said that they were after form over function. Just a particular end of the market who very certainly do, and these will be the target market for the Air if they have enough money to spend on it. 

There is a very particular market that the Air is aimed at. And that was my point. The iChair reference was humor, but not far off the mark either. If you have ever been on a forum where someone wasn't praising Apple enough, you know what kind of Apple user I mean. 

There is a Linux counterpart, who insists that everyone should switch to Linux right now. From the most computer illiterate user to the biggest company, while underestimating the difficulty of such a task. They also have unrealistic impressions of things like WINE, which they belive will be perfectly adequate for replacing Windows completely for essential applications.

Personally I'm more a middle of the road person.  I use Linux for the bulk of my computer needs, and I go out of my way to get the job done on Linux, but I can see times when another option is needed at the moment. Usually because I can't find a Linux app to do the task.

Now back to the Air.

The Air is thin enough to be very fragile. So using it as an everyday portable laptop is impractical. Baggage handlers are not the most caring people when it comes to fragile equipment, and throwing it on the back seat of your car is not a good idea if there is anything that could fall onto it.  

Due to it's non removable battery, it isn't something that someone can use all day for work away from a power point, so that also reduces the portable aspect, and as keeping a laptop battery topped up all the time can shorten it's life span, putting it on charge every evening is not really practical.

Wireless only network connection rules out a lot of professional uses, as having to get a USB Ethernet dongle will further drain the power, and be one more accessory to carry around, for work and many other purposes, Wifi is not enough.

The 80 gig hard drive is by todays standards pretty small. So no heavy duty video editing, no carrying it around with all your media files etc. 

A 13 inch screen isn't really designed for intensive Photoshop sessions, and while I haven't seen it, I doubt that the screen quality matches a professional graphic designer's monitor. 

The above pretty much rules out the pro users unless they want something cool to take to the next conference. Laptops have a hard short life. I've seen the way sales reps and other mobile workers tend to treat their equipment, so I can't see an Air lasting more than a week in such environments. And the higher end stuff like graphic design is done with desktops, not laptops, so that leaves out Apple's key creative market. 

Using it as a desktop replacement kind of makes the thin lightweight part of the design futile, and any laptop is an ergonomic disaster for extended use.

Which leaves us with intermittent careful use in an environment where looks are the most important aspect. This is the poser market, which the Air is perfectly suited to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to John Stevens.</p>
<p>Sorry.. I wasn&#8217;t making myself clear. I wasn&#8217;t referring to the entire Apple range and the entire Apple customer base when I said that they were after form over function. Just a particular end of the market who very certainly do, and these will be the target market for the Air if they have enough money to spend on it. </p>
<p>There is a very particular market that the Air is aimed at. And that was my point. The iChair reference was humor, but not far off the mark either. If you have ever been on a forum where someone wasn&#8217;t praising Apple enough, you know what kind of Apple user I mean. </p>
<p>There is a Linux counterpart, who insists that everyone should switch to Linux right now. From the most computer illiterate user to the biggest company, while underestimating the difficulty of such a task. They also have unrealistic impressions of things like WINE, which they belive will be perfectly adequate for replacing Windows completely for essential applications.</p>
<p>Personally I&#8217;m more a middle of the road person.  I use Linux for the bulk of my computer needs, and I go out of my way to get the job done on Linux, but I can see times when another option is needed at the moment. Usually because I can&#8217;t find a Linux app to do the task.</p>
<p>Now back to the Air.</p>
<p>The Air is thin enough to be very fragile. So using it as an everyday portable laptop is impractical. Baggage handlers are not the most caring people when it comes to fragile equipment, and throwing it on the back seat of your car is not a good idea if there is anything that could fall onto it.  </p>
<p>Due to it&#8217;s non removable battery, it isn&#8217;t something that someone can use all day for work away from a power point, so that also reduces the portable aspect, and as keeping a laptop battery topped up all the time can shorten it&#8217;s life span, putting it on charge every evening is not really practical.</p>
<p>Wireless only network connection rules out a lot of professional uses, as having to get a USB Ethernet dongle will further drain the power, and be one more accessory to carry around, for work and many other purposes, Wifi is not enough.</p>
<p>The 80 gig hard drive is by todays standards pretty small. So no heavy duty video editing, no carrying it around with all your media files etc. </p>
<p>A 13 inch screen isn&#8217;t really designed for intensive Photoshop sessions, and while I haven&#8217;t seen it, I doubt that the screen quality matches a professional graphic designer&#8217;s monitor. </p>
<p>The above pretty much rules out the pro users unless they want something cool to take to the next conference. Laptops have a hard short life. I&#8217;ve seen the way sales reps and other mobile workers tend to treat their equipment, so I can&#8217;t see an Air lasting more than a week in such environments. And the higher end stuff like graphic design is done with desktops, not laptops, so that leaves out Apple&#8217;s key creative market. </p>
<p>Using it as a desktop replacement kind of makes the thin lightweight part of the design futile, and any laptop is an ergonomic disaster for extended use.</p>
<p>Which leaves us with intermittent careful use in an environment where looks are the most important aspect. This is the poser market, which the Air is perfectly suited to.</p>
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		<title>By: NoCaDrummer</title>
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		<dc:creator>NoCaDrummer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 17:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I pretty much agree with the analogy of the Corvette / Forester (although I might not have chosen those two cars).  The Air and the Eee are both Intel-flavored PCs.

However, I don't know that "hype" is necessarily all the differentiation between Apples and other PCs.  It surely wasn't in 1984 when I bought my first Macintosh (I'd not seen the "1984" ad) and it wasn't in 1997 when I bought my last Macintosh.  The ease-of-use was the deciding factor in every case.  Windows PCs simply weren't up to the capabilities of the Apple products.  I didn't want to learn different commands, keystrokes, or menus to do the same functionality from one program to the next.  Apple was smart enough to start by defining what programs did and how they worked BEFORE the first Macs appeared.

Because both are relatively similar, what's to keep someone from installing Linux on an Air?  I'm not saying it's necessary, just possible.  A dual-boot Air?  Now that's a PC that has something for everyone... except with a high-end price.  Think Porsche with interchangeable engines - turbo for speed, diesel for economy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I pretty much agree with the analogy of the Corvette / Forester (although I might not have chosen those two cars).  The Air and the Eee are both Intel-flavored PCs.</p>
<p>However, I don&#8217;t know that &#8220;hype&#8221; is necessarily all the differentiation between Apples and other PCs.  It surely wasn&#8217;t in 1984 when I bought my first Macintosh (I&#8217;d not seen the &#8220;1984&#8243; ad) and it wasn&#8217;t in 1997 when I bought my last Macintosh.  The ease-of-use was the deciding factor in every case.  Windows PCs simply weren&#8217;t up to the capabilities of the Apple products.  I didn&#8217;t want to learn different commands, keystrokes, or menus to do the same functionality from one program to the next.  Apple was smart enough to start by defining what programs did and how they worked BEFORE the first Macs appeared.</p>
<p>Because both are relatively similar, what&#8217;s to keep someone from installing Linux on an Air?  I&#8217;m not saying it&#8217;s necessary, just possible.  A dual-boot Air?  Now that&#8217;s a PC that has something for everyone&#8230; except with a high-end price.  Think Porsche with interchangeable engines - turbo for speed, diesel for economy.</p>
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		<title>By: John Stevens</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Stevens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 13:48:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't agree with the Apple comments posted by John B. My ex-roommate from college and my daughter both use apples, and while I admit I've never understood why, it's clear they prefer to 'use' their computers rather than work on them. I agree that form is an issue with the Apple crowd, but I don't think form is as important to them as is usability. They don't want to know anything about the insides of the box. To them it is just a tool to do something else.
Personally, I'd rather tear the box open and change it. I am not a creature of Apple. I'm going to buy the Cloudbook from Everex when they release it with the larger keyboard. In this instance I don't plan on tearing the box open. I need a mobile solution and I'm buying theirs because it has linux. 
By the way, at Microcenter, if you have one nearby, they have the Eee on the shelves. I don't think I can type on that keyboard. It's too cramped.
But I'm tempted to buy it anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t agree with the Apple comments posted by John B. My ex-roommate from college and my daughter both use apples, and while I admit I&#8217;ve never understood why, it&#8217;s clear they prefer to &#8216;use&#8217; their computers rather than work on them. I agree that form is an issue with the Apple crowd, but I don&#8217;t think form is as important to them as is usability. They don&#8217;t want to know anything about the insides of the box. To them it is just a tool to do something else.<br />
Personally, I&#8217;d rather tear the box open and change it. I am not a creature of Apple. I&#8217;m going to buy the Cloudbook from Everex when they release it with the larger keyboard. In this instance I don&#8217;t plan on tearing the box open. I need a mobile solution and I&#8217;m buying theirs because it has linux.<br />
By the way, at Microcenter, if you have one nearby, they have the Eee on the shelves. I don&#8217;t think I can type on that keyboard. It&#8217;s too cramped.<br />
But I&#8217;m tempted to buy it anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Miller</title>
		<link>http://www.linuxloop.com/news/2008/01/15/apples-new-air-good-or-bad-for-the-eee/#comment-704</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 13:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These items are in the same market in the way that a Corvette is in the same market as a Subaru Forester.  It's possible to see them both in the same parking lot, side by side, sucking up the same WiFi. The eee makes a lot possible for new users, while the Apple Air is aimed at people already used to jockeying around over-priced equipment.  I bought a pair of the eee for our house for under half the price of a single Air. I was looking for something inconspicuous, light, and usable in the small areas many travel situations affords.  The Air is a coffee table book compared to the paperback of the eee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These items are in the same market in the way that a Corvette is in the same market as a Subaru Forester.  It&#8217;s possible to see them both in the same parking lot, side by side, sucking up the same WiFi. The eee makes a lot possible for new users, while the Apple Air is aimed at people already used to jockeying around over-priced equipment.  I bought a pair of the eee for our house for under half the price of a single Air. I was looking for something inconspicuous, light, and usable in the small areas many travel situations affords.  The Air is a coffee table book compared to the paperback of the eee.</p>
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		<title>By: John Bailey</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Bailey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 12:36:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, I think it will have about as much effect on the Eee as the price of eggs has on the crude oil market. 

The Eee is priced at the bottom end of the market, minimalist spec, and is something new and different. It's aimed at the opposite end of the computer market. It does a fantastic job at a cut throat price, and it has the added advantage of running Linux. The fun comes from hacking and tweaking it, and getting it to do what nobody thought it could do.

The Air is aimed at someone posing in Starbucks. Its a fashion statement, not a computer. It's major point of differentiation form anything else... It's thin. 

Apple sell to a market who seem more concerned with form than anything else. 

Lets be honest.. If the posts on the tech forums I have seen today are anything to go by, Apple could get their congregation to willingly impale themselves on 3 foot long metal spikes if they told them it was the iChair, and gave it a nice finish and an iPod dock, and then berate everyone who pointed out the disemboweling aspect as Apple Haters who are just not cool enough to understand the right way to sit comfortably around the iChair.  These are not Eee users.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I think it will have about as much effect on the Eee as the price of eggs has on the crude oil market. </p>
<p>The Eee is priced at the bottom end of the market, minimalist spec, and is something new and different. It&#8217;s aimed at the opposite end of the computer market. It does a fantastic job at a cut throat price, and it has the added advantage of running Linux. The fun comes from hacking and tweaking it, and getting it to do what nobody thought it could do.</p>
<p>The Air is aimed at someone posing in Starbucks. Its a fashion statement, not a computer. It&#8217;s major point of differentiation form anything else&#8230; It&#8217;s thin. </p>
<p>Apple sell to a market who seem more concerned with form than anything else. </p>
<p>Lets be honest.. If the posts on the tech forums I have seen today are anything to go by, Apple could get their congregation to willingly impale themselves on 3 foot long metal spikes if they told them it was the iChair, and gave it a nice finish and an iPod dock, and then berate everyone who pointed out the disemboweling aspect as Apple Haters who are just not cool enough to understand the right way to sit comfortably around the iChair.  These are not Eee users.</p>
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