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	<title>Comments on: Canonical&#8217;s Future: Enterprise or Consumer?</title>
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		<title>By: Jaro</title>
		<link>http://www.linuxloop.com/news/2007/12/13/cannonicals-future-enterprise-or-consumer/comment-page-1/#comment-102</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 23:33:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Totally agree, there are a number of ways that they could monetize their Desktop offerings anyway (advertising, etc...).  It seems to me that they are in a unique position, enough people have heard of Ubuntu, that it actually has got a chance at main stream (with some marketing).  Making money from something open source (or web based), is just a matter of numbers, the more users you have, the easier it is to make money.  Just ask Facebook, they don't appear to be doing too badly, or Mozilla for that matter, etc..., you just have to be a bit more creative with your business model, that's all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Totally agree, there are a number of ways that they could monetize their Desktop offerings anyway (advertising, etc&#8230;).  It seems to me that they are in a unique position, enough people have heard of Ubuntu, that it actually has got a chance at main stream (with some marketing).  Making money from something open source (or web based), is just a matter of numbers, the more users you have, the easier it is to make money.  Just ask Facebook, they don&#8217;t appear to be doing too badly, or Mozilla for that matter, etc&#8230;, you just have to be a bit more creative with your business model, that&#8217;s all.</p>
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		<title>By: InTheLoop</title>
		<link>http://www.linuxloop.com/news/2007/12/13/cannonicals-future-enterprise-or-consumer/comment-page-1/#comment-101</link>
		<dc:creator>InTheLoop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 22:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems to be that everyone is making the same point: Ubuntu does not have to choose, they can do both. Yes, they can do that, but I don't think it is the best move. If Ubuntu expanding into the server market has absolutely no effect on the work put into the desktop version, great. I, however, suspect that that is not the case. Ubuntu has a limited number of developers and if they start focusing more on the server, how can they have as many people working on the desktop?

All I am trying to say is that if you look at where Ubuntu has an advantage over its competitors, the answer is the desktop. For this reason, it makes sense to push the desktop, because winning on the desktop side gives you an advantage on the server side, something they don't have now.

I hope that clarifies my point some. If you still disagree with me, and I am sure at least some people will, go ahead and post your view.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to be that everyone is making the same point: Ubuntu does not have to choose, they can do both. Yes, they can do that, but I don&#8217;t think it is the best move. If Ubuntu expanding into the server market has absolutely no effect on the work put into the desktop version, great. I, however, suspect that that is not the case. Ubuntu has a limited number of developers and if they start focusing more on the server, how can they have as many people working on the desktop?</p>
<p>All I am trying to say is that if you look at where Ubuntu has an advantage over its competitors, the answer is the desktop. For this reason, it makes sense to push the desktop, because winning on the desktop side gives you an advantage on the server side, something they don&#8217;t have now.</p>
<p>I hope that clarifies my point some. If you still disagree with me, and I am sure at least some people will, go ahead and post your view.</p>
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		<title>By: The Linux Index &#187; Corey Burger: 14 Dec 2007</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Linux Index &#187; Corey Burger: 14 Dec 2007</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:38:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Linuxloop.com disagrees with this, saying in a blog post Canonical&#8217;s Future: Enterprise or Consumer?: Instead, I believe that Ubuntu should continue to pursue the consumer desktop and, for now, leave [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Linuxloop.com disagrees with this, saying in a blog post Canonical&rsquo;s Future: Enterprise or Consumer?: Instead, I believe that Ubuntu should continue to pursue the consumer desktop and, for now, leave [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Dowdle</title>
		<link>http://www.linuxloop.com/news/2007/12/13/cannonicals-future-enterprise-or-consumer/comment-page-1/#comment-99</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Dowdle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:28:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What you seem to fail to realize is that being the biggest on the desktop but it being totally free of cost... is just a revenue drain.  Canonical want to sell support but are they really getting any desktop customers?

They have been pushing their server edition in web-based ads a lot lately... or at least it's like I've seen them EVERYWHERE... so it appears they are moving that direction... or at least testing the water.

The only problem is though, that Ubuntu's main competition in the server space isn't Red Hat nor Novell, it's Debian... and in a battle between the two for servers, I think Debian will win.

Eventually Canonical will need to make money, right?  What happens then?  How much of Ubuntu is Canonical?  We hear that Ubuntu is sponsored by Canonical... but what percentage of the packages are made by Canonical developers and what by actual, non-Canonical Ubuntu community members.

Don't get me wrong, I'm NOT trying to bash Ubuntu the distribution.  It is rather nice.

I would like to see something between Red Hat Enterprise Linux (18-24 month release cycle with 5 years of support) and Fedora (6 months release cycle with 18 months of updates).  How about something that releases every 12 months and offers 3 years of support... with median price?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What you seem to fail to realize is that being the biggest on the desktop but it being totally free of cost&#8230; is just a revenue drain.  Canonical want to sell support but are they really getting any desktop customers?</p>
<p>They have been pushing their server edition in web-based ads a lot lately&#8230; or at least it&#8217;s like I&#8217;ve seen them EVERYWHERE&#8230; so it appears they are moving that direction&#8230; or at least testing the water.</p>
<p>The only problem is though, that Ubuntu&#8217;s main competition in the server space isn&#8217;t Red Hat nor Novell, it&#8217;s Debian&#8230; and in a battle between the two for servers, I think Debian will win.</p>
<p>Eventually Canonical will need to make money, right?  What happens then?  How much of Ubuntu is Canonical?  We hear that Ubuntu is sponsored by Canonical&#8230; but what percentage of the packages are made by Canonical developers and what by actual, non-Canonical Ubuntu community members.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong, I&#8217;m NOT trying to bash Ubuntu the distribution.  It is rather nice.</p>
<p>I would like to see something between Red Hat Enterprise Linux (18-24 month release cycle with 5 years of support) and Fedora (6 months release cycle with 18 months of updates).  How about something that releases every 12 months and offers 3 years of support&#8230; with median price?</p>
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		<title>By: Corey Burger</title>
		<link>http://www.linuxloop.com/news/2007/12/13/cannonicals-future-enterprise-or-consumer/comment-page-1/#comment-98</link>
		<dc:creator>Corey Burger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 18:48:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, this story is so crazily wrong it isn't even funny. In case you haven't noticed, MS has been winning people over with an integrated solution of AD and Exchange on the server with XP/2000/Vista on the client side. Novell has been doing with same with Suse. Red Hat is investing in Red Hat/Fedora Directory Server.  Any enterprise customer is going to want that end to end integration that currently no Free (or free) version of Linux gives them. This is one place where Ubuntu can shine. 

Corey</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, this story is so crazily wrong it isn&#8217;t even funny. In case you haven&#8217;t noticed, MS has been winning people over with an integrated solution of AD and Exchange on the server with XP/2000/Vista on the client side. Novell has been doing with same with Suse. Red Hat is investing in Red Hat/Fedora Directory Server.  Any enterprise customer is going to want that end to end integration that currently no Free (or free) version of Linux gives them. This is one place where Ubuntu can shine. </p>
<p>Corey</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Devi</title>
		<link>http://www.linuxloop.com/news/2007/12/13/cannonicals-future-enterprise-or-consumer/comment-page-1/#comment-97</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Devi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 18:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do you think it has to be one or the other? Can't they reinforce each other?
	
People used to claim that "a real-time kernel is only good for enterprise", yet when it actually got into the kernel, consumers rejoiced because the didn't have to choose between having audio and video skip or have a sluggish system. VMWare and KVM are enterprise features, yet it's something that consumers can use to wean themselves off of Windows. Having a simple system with good defaults that's easy to learn is prized in enterprise, yet it also wins over new consumers. Having an OEM install is good for enterprise, yet that same OEM install is one thing that allowed Dell and others to pre-install Ubuntu. Conforming to the Americans with Disabilities Act and similar legilation is a very enterprise thing to do, yet it also helps the consumers with visually impairment (including the aged with poor eye sight or people who have problems with color and contrast) or poor motor skills. Having multiple language support out of the box is similarly enterprisy, but it helps consumers at home. Being able to manage multiple PCs simply is also enterprisy, but it's also important for schools and home users. 

The list goes on. As Linus points out, if you do things right, there's no need to fork a project (in his case the kernel). One project should be able to scale from the very simple to the very complex because there's no such thing as a pure consumer, pure developer, pure enterprise, pure server, etc. Most people are a mix of these.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do you think it has to be one or the other? Can&#8217;t they reinforce each other?</p>
<p>People used to claim that &#8220;a real-time kernel is only good for enterprise&#8221;, yet when it actually got into the kernel, consumers rejoiced because the didn&#8217;t have to choose between having audio and video skip or have a sluggish system. VMWare and KVM are enterprise features, yet it&#8217;s something that consumers can use to wean themselves off of Windows. Having a simple system with good defaults that&#8217;s easy to learn is prized in enterprise, yet it also wins over new consumers. Having an OEM install is good for enterprise, yet that same OEM install is one thing that allowed Dell and others to pre-install Ubuntu. Conforming to the Americans with Disabilities Act and similar legilation is a very enterprise thing to do, yet it also helps the consumers with visually impairment (including the aged with poor eye sight or people who have problems with color and contrast) or poor motor skills. Having multiple language support out of the box is similarly enterprisy, but it helps consumers at home. Being able to manage multiple PCs simply is also enterprisy, but it&#8217;s also important for schools and home users. </p>
<p>The list goes on. As Linus points out, if you do things right, there&#8217;s no need to fork a project (in his case the kernel). One project should be able to scale from the very simple to the very complex because there&#8217;s no such thing as a pure consumer, pure developer, pure enterprise, pure server, etc. Most people are a mix of these.</p>
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