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	<title>Comments on: KDE 4 Delayed Until January</title>
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		<title>By: Brandy Norwood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brandy Norwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2007 15:08:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi there...Man i just love your blog, keep the cool posts comin..holy Sunday</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi there&#8230;Man i just love your blog, keep the cool posts comin..holy Sunday</p>
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		<title>By: mcinsand</title>
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		<dc:creator>mcinsand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 17:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of friggin' course the team is going to get it right before releasing it.  Otherwise, they'd be like the big monopoly.  

Seriously, thanks to the team for all you do, and for doing it well.  If I have to wait a month or two or six, so what?  I'll be happy to have KDE4 when the team is ready for me to have it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of friggin&#8217; course the team is going to get it right before releasing it.  Otherwise, they&#8217;d be like the big monopoly.  </p>
<p>Seriously, thanks to the team for all you do, and for doing it well.  If I have to wait a month or two or six, so what?  I&#8217;ll be happy to have KDE4 when the team is ready for me to have it.</p>
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		<title>By: FLow</title>
		<link>http://www.linuxloop.com/news/2007/12/01/kde-4-delayed-until-january/#comment-31</link>
		<dc:creator>FLow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 18:32:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the KDE team made the right choice, KDE4 looks temptimg i might actually switch from gnome, KDE3 just did not cut it for me personally at lease not as a whole.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the KDE team made the right choice, KDE4 looks temptimg i might actually switch from gnome, KDE3 just did not cut it for me personally at lease not as a whole.</p>
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		<title>By: Mrs Bean</title>
		<link>http://www.linuxloop.com/news/2007/12/01/kde-4-delayed-until-january/#comment-30</link>
		<dc:creator>Mrs Bean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 16:03:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's way better to wait until January, KDE3 still works better than anything else, but man it is getting hard to wait.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s way better to wait until January, KDE3 still works better than anything else, but man it is getting hard to wait.</p>
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		<title>By: alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 11:04:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Finally! Some real innovation on Desktop Linux! I know we had all sorts of good things before Apple and MS, but it was beginning to look as if they were catching up.

A Dec. release would have stunk. The RC was barely usable.
However. I'm not switching to KDE until they completely change the K menu and the bottom bar. I don't know, KDE just always feels so bulky compared to my GNOME. However, all these new APIs are very tempting. I personally think that KDE and GNOME should work together, but the communities wouldn't agree with each other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Finally! Some real innovation on Desktop Linux! I know we had all sorts of good things before Apple and MS, but it was beginning to look as if they were catching up.</p>
<p>A Dec. release would have stunk. The RC was barely usable.<br />
However. I&#8217;m not switching to KDE until they completely change the K menu and the bottom bar. I don&#8217;t know, KDE just always feels so bulky compared to my GNOME. However, all these new APIs are very tempting. I personally think that KDE and GNOME should work together, but the communities wouldn&#8217;t agree with each other.</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 07:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a tradeof and classic in management.
In one hand, waiting one month more (or even 4 months) is not a great deal, for the project to be in good shape/with right APIs. That will prevent user grief, support overhead, and coding mess if the APIs are not suited to the developers' needs.
In the other hand, waiting "even a year later" would definitively be a mistake. "Release soon, release often" is the mantra for project life in open source, and more generally in many extreme programming projects. If you wait longer, you take the risk to have user leaving you, taking the wrong approach and not fulfilling the needs, as well as causing more grief. If that is the case, the goals were simply too ambitious and the project has huge chances to fail anyway, whatever the man power you give it.
KDE is indeed well managed: there is a roadmap, ambitious but feasible, it is followed with less than 50% derive (slip of 6 months for now I think for KDE4, on 1.5 year development - in software this is a performance), it is not bloated (each version is better and faster), the API is clean and refactored, the sources are self contained (only 3-4 major packages to build instead of zillions of libraries) and the apps are integrated and functional. The rest is polishing.
So KDE4 will certainly be a great version... as always, in 6-9 months, when 4.0.2 for instance will be out, that is when distros integrate it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a tradeof and classic in management.<br />
In one hand, waiting one month more (or even 4 months) is not a great deal, for the project to be in good shape/with right APIs. That will prevent user grief, support overhead, and coding mess if the APIs are not suited to the developers&#8217; needs.<br />
In the other hand, waiting &#8220;even a year later&#8221; would definitively be a mistake. &#8220;Release soon, release often&#8221; is the mantra for project life in open source, and more generally in many extreme programming projects. If you wait longer, you take the risk to have user leaving you, taking the wrong approach and not fulfilling the needs, as well as causing more grief. If that is the case, the goals were simply too ambitious and the project has huge chances to fail anyway, whatever the man power you give it.<br />
KDE is indeed well managed: there is a roadmap, ambitious but feasible, it is followed with less than 50% derive (slip of 6 months for now I think for KDE4, on 1.5 year development - in software this is a performance), it is not bloated (each version is better and faster), the API is clean and refactored, the sources are self contained (only 3-4 major packages to build instead of zillions of libraries) and the apps are integrated and functional. The rest is polishing.<br />
So KDE4 will certainly be a great version&#8230; as always, in 6-9 months, when 4.0.2 for instance will be out, that is when distros integrate it.</p>
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		<title>By: Asker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Asker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 07:36:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I don't think it is that bad. After all, I heard that all Santas helpers are of the Gnome-type!!!

... I'll get my coat...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I don&#8217;t think it is that bad. After all, I heard that all Santas helpers are of the Gnome-type!!!</p>
<p>&#8230; I&#8217;ll get my coat&#8230;</p>
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